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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:59:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tippia wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Got myself a mack and a hulk today so far. They still aren't fitting tanks. This is a shocking and surprising development. Would be nice if CCP started letting Ore Holds drop their goodies.
Personally I prefer it doesn't drop from the Ore hold. It makes ganking unprofitable. Or it would if these idiots fit tanks on there ships.
I sickens me that I mine and might be classed as a "Miner" along with these whining little scum.
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Posted - 2012.08.08 23:34:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Tippia wrote:Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Got myself a mack and a hulk today so far. They still aren't fitting tanks. This is a shocking and surprising development. Would be nice if CCP started letting Ore Holds drop their goodies. Personally I prefer it doesn't drop from the Ore hold. It makes ganking unprofitable. Or it would if these idiots fit tanks on there ships. I sickens me that I mine and might be classed as a "Miner" along with these whining little scum. The 5 million in ore doesn't make it profitable or not.
But it does make it 5 million less in the gankers pocket. Ganking should not be about profiting from the kill unless you are paid by a third party or the gankee is an idiot. (Idiots are apparently not in short supply as shown by people still flying hulks without tanks or support)
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:01:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
But it does make it 5 million less in the gankers pocket. Ganking should not be about profiting from the kill unless you are paid by a third party or the gankee is an idiot. (Idiots are apparently not in short supply as shown by people still flying hulks without tanks or support)
When I read the comment that Soundwave made about not wanting suicide ganking to be profitable, I didn't really take it like he meant that it should never be profitable to suicide gank. I took it like they didn't want any one ship, even if fitted for the possibility of being ganked, to be profitable to a suicide ganker. I know the hulk yesterday wasn't worth blowing up when fitted properly, but I felt like maybe people kind of took the comment to far to one side. Ganking should ABSOLUTELY be profitable. If there is no profit in it then the only people ganking are people who really are only doing it to cause misery to other people; I can go play Mortal Online or Darkfall if that's the sort of people I wanted to play with. Soundwave NEVER said a thing about ganking. He said SUICIDE ganking. They just don't want a single ship targetted because it's worthwhile to blow yourself up in the process of blowing it up. Honestly, that does kind of make sense to me, and I'm very happy that this patch still allows hulks to be suicide ganked and profitable in the process, when you don't fit them properly to protect yourself; which I believe he also pointed out that they were keeping that aspect in mind with the rebalance. That is, of course, based on my understanding that the hulk was profitable based on the salvage that you get from it and that they didn't change that.
Yes I should have stated Suicide Ganking as I was talking about Hi-sec. And yes any improperly fit ship or in certain cases the failure to have support should benefit suicide ganker, the amount being the level of stupidity like people when fit 4 billion isks worth of shiny stuff on a mission ship.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:18:00 -
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Martineski wrote:Dave stark wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Dont know why there are tears. The hulk got a significant boost. It can now mine everything better than any ship in the game (Ore, Ice, Mercoxit).
I think the tradeoff is worth it. Really the only thing that got nerfed for the Hulk is the cargo/ore hold. Defenses remained relatively in tact. the hulk didn't get a significant boost at all, it's practically the same ship and it's almost untouched. ^^ what this guy said, the hulk is the same, no upgraded bonuses, smaller hold and none of this "ready for deepspace" defense that it used to have. come on CCP this was a nerf and you know it, hulk is not a better fleet miner, its now the worst miner in the game, NO cargo space and NO defense, and NO BUFF TO MINING AMOUNT, so much for most efficient miner. the mackinaw can mine just as much ore but with fewer lasers, this is bullshit. and whats with the lame 1% to ice mining on all ships that has absolutely no benefit to the 500s cycle time of ice harvesters hulk needs more love and it needs it now, for it to be a more efficient miner it needs to have its bonuses revamped a LOT. fine keep the paper defenses those i can work with, but the mining bonuses need to be changed to 5% for the Mining barge skill and 7.5% for exhumer skill, otherwise we are being penalized for wanting a fleet mining ship.
It already has a better yield than all the other ships. Anything more just makes it unbalanced. It is supposed to be better not so much better the other ships have no meaning like they did previously.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:27:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Simetraz wrote:I think they are trying to emulate PvPr's.
Not enough tears though, I think they got beat out PvP'rs once again.
Show me where a "PVPer" whined about a buff to a ship class they like flying.
Is that with or without people asking for a Super nerf now they are so prolific 
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Posted - 2012.08.09 01:43:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Simetraz wrote:I think they are trying to emulate PvPr's.
Not enough tears though, I think they got beat out PvP'rs once again.
Show me where a "PVPer" whined about a buff to a ship class they like flying. Is that with or without people asking for a Super nerf now they are so prolific I'm not sure what you're asking. Are Super Pilots whining about their ships being improved*? *Which begs the question, which improvement are you talking about?
Actually Mittens was complaining about the way Suspers were on creation and that they need a nerf. So not really a complaint on a buff more a complaint that they were unbalanced when released.
"Mittens: I think that titans are just about balanced. I think they need to be nerfed to the point where they cannot have as much impact on subcaps. I think the Leviathan is a good example of a titan that is a good citizen. The Leviathan is an excellent anti-capital and anti-structure titan, but it doesnGÇÖt destroy newbies in afterburning rifters. It isnGÇÖt much of an election issue. From what Soundwave has posted on the forums and twitter, odds are that a nerf to titan tracking is likely to occur before the start of the next CSM. But you know titans have a sordid history, like T2 BPO lottery. Supercapitals, as they have been implemented was a terrible idea. TheyGÇÖve never been balanced well and always been a problem."
Source: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/06/csm-interview-the-mittani/
So yeah my bad sort of.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 02:19:00 -
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MIrple wrote:I know I am going to get flamed for this but if the hulk got a role bonus of 5% better gank lin bonuses it would make it stan out more. So at max skills you wouldnt get 42.75% bouses from a rorq it would be 44.9% that would make it stand out more as a fleet ship.
And make it hideously unbalanced.
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